Whips like Quivers

sierracoop · 08-27-2014, 11:13 AM

Yet another post about BM haste.

So koks get 12%, but prior to stalking issue, they were thought to be relatively balanced with other whips, correct? I mean why else would Glitch have not included another proc if it wasn't already balanced at just the 12% damage increase. Now stalking issue gets fixed, and koks get an extra proc, yet all other whips don't. How can 12% haste not disrupt the balance between whips?

My idea: Treat whips like Quivers. Quivers give %haste to archery, so have whips gives %haste to pets. Each one can have their own % depending on the other procs as to not make one super OP over another (*cough* koks right now *cough*).

I'm sure Glitch is probably working very hard at other possible remedies, but this might be a good idea? idk, just throwing it out there.

adino · 08-27-2014, 11:35 AM

Good idea Sierra.

Oneangel · 08-27-2014, 01:51 PM

Something to stop the mass selling of all other whips would be good for sure.

Blaze · 08-27-2014, 07:45 PM

support......after lods get so cheap i can buy for 10m :P

Excellence · 08-27-2014, 07:55 PM

I don't support this, I don't think BMs need more buffs or nerfs, I still claim half of nod (even more) being BMs sucked, I mean it became so boring and dull. I was BM too so it affected me, don't think I'm just randomly talking against BMs

>.> · 08-27-2014, 09:14 PM

Wouldn't this kinda make the kok buff pointless? The majority of people supporting or that will support are people that have LoDs so they are biased into not wanting to spend money.

BMs are trying to reattain the old dps that they should not have had. Plain and simple. If it was possible to reattain this dps they had then what would have been the point of the fix to begin with? The gem is fine enough, if people want more then they can get koks

sierracoop · 08-28-2014, 01:57 AM

But with haste, i think koks are far above any other lg whip. So everyone who has lods or otherwise just sorta got screwed for not having koks in the first place. Trying to sell a lod now to afford a kok is nearly impossible because everyone wants koks. so I think other whips need to be on the same level. It's like there's an imbalance within a class now.

>.> · 08-28-2014, 02:01 AM

uptier LoD and get kok, its not like the multi hit chance and accuracy is utterly useless now. You were just chown the good life and normality seems to bleh now.

sierracoop · 08-28-2014, 02:05 AM

Let's say there's a quiver that gets a pretty significant haste boost, but your quiver doesn't. It makes you feel pretty lame about having the quiver you have now, when the other provides such a significant boost that it warrants a change. Super crappy, right?

But you spent a bunch of gold on your current gear, only to find out that some of it isn't nearly as good.

sierracoop · 08-28-2014, 02:20 AM

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad the fix was found sooner than later, and I'm okay with that. I just think everyone, regardless or what whip they have should give at least some haste, even if it takes away a small portion of it's currect proc. I would much rather take a Lod with only like 7.5% chance to hit, and 2.5% for multi attack, if it gave like 8-10% haste. or however the numbers work out.

>.> · 08-28-2014, 02:34 AM

and what if later on there is a whip that has haste and multishot? No I wouldn't be upset it is how the game goes. My quiver suits my needs and the LoD still serves the purpose you bought it for, it still offers multi shot and still offers chance to hit, atm everyone is just having buyers remorse since something "better" is out now.

Uptiering the lod pair and getting a kok would still work well, but no most bm's want max haste to reattain the previous dps/heals. So in order to get it they, not just you, are suggesting multiple fixes and additions and buffs so they can get back to their peak.

With 2 t1 koks, the gem and the rune (r6) it negates stalking. Mix around proper class placement and such and you can likely exceed it with only 1 kok.

adino · 08-28-2014, 10:05 AM

Future whips will not be made based on misinformation though so that arguement rings hollow imo.

But the game is what it is now. Would be interesting to see how different Nod would be had stalking been working properly from day one. What class would have been the consitered to have an unfair advantage? How would that have changed the weapons.....

>.> · 08-30-2014, 10:42 AM

It has been checked and the stalking skill has never been working properly. He assumed it as since the new years patch but then nibbles went and checked duel videos from way back when an they showed it was not working since 2009. From that we can safely assume it was never working properly.

Yes, they should not have had their dps. When glitch first thought up the skills and classes he did not intend for bm's to have doubled dps with no downside. Yes it did affect how other classes were buffed and other weapons were made but what does it say to bm's that after the skill was fixed that they are now on par with other builds even with 40% slower pets?

You, as a bm, are biased and I am sure you would rather have your broken skill back because you do not want change. Most would. People do not want to have to spend more money because they were led off false assumptions that the skill/class was working properly. But as I have said in other posts the top dog changes all the time in nod. Be it through buffs or nerfs or weapons or skills there is a constant cycle between "top classes". It was what keeps glitch getting money because if you want to remain top year after year odds are you will need to bliss.

Adino does bring up a good question, but it will never be answered because no one knows.