Soulbound upon IP instead of character

[Zan]

What the title should have been: Soulbound per player instead of character.

What I would like to suggest is that items were soulbind by characters of the same IP (or registed e-mail - or any other way that would actually define a "player"), meaning we could trade gems/LG's/anything(probably not travel gear) between our alts and only having to unsb when wanting to sell them to other players.

The initial suggestion would be to let each item be traded once per month and so avoid multiple toons farming with the same single gear.

At today's setup, if I plan to pass, say, a pair of LG whips, between my main and the alt, the unsb cost would be the same as a single new whip, bringing back the issue of being "stuck" with the LG on that toon.
Also, another example would be if I give up on a gem setup, I could pass them to an alt which could still benefit from it without having to buy them again (or unsb them, if epics), since I already bought them once and would like to still use it - only in another toon which I own, hence the suggestion to have it IP-based (or make it with toons that share the same registered e-mail, or whichever way it would be more secure against scammers).

The only drawback I see is with account sharers being able to trade items without unsbing, since they can set multiple toons into a single IP (or reset the e-mails for a single one and change back when the trading is complete), but the sharing goes againt the ToU and maybe it would also be nice to have this rule reinforced (or just don't let those use the new feature).

[Zaark]

Seems like something that I could benefit a lot at short term, but will hurt nod economy even more over time, so can't support sorry

[Zan]

Feedback so far from /c:

Multiple toons farming with the same suit: really an issue - might try to set a lock somehow.
EDIT: limiting number of times each <SB> item could be traded montly could work.

Auction house: prices would not chance much, maybe drop a bit - but if I want to have a t2 whip, for example, I'd have to buy mats for two whips.. that doesnt change - the ones I have on other toons of my own were already made and already balanced the demand.

TC prices: doubt they would change, might have a step raise for the hoarders. Tc prices are basicaly set (and slowly moving to the real value) on what top players can make out of 7 hours of RRT until the point it wont be worth to burn them.

Most exploits would come from sharing toons, and are only an issue because they could get this far with sharing

[Milkchan]

it would bring too much trouble to account sharing imo..sorry..cannot support even if i like and would profit greatly from this idea.
but..maybe if..it only worked if the account was used from the same ip (not exclusively only that ip since i don't only play at home but at work and at buddies places) for like the half last year? so if somebody wants to abuse this they'd have to wait half a year to do so?

[Jarrhal]

as far as account sharing goes. we know it goes on. nothing new, I would say that you cant trade an item to a shared toon, and proof of ownership should be checked by seeing if its on the same IP and has the same email address registered. and if there was a way to check how long the email has been registered to that toon, suggest more than 1 month. and if you trade to an alt, it becomes toonbound for at least 30 days. to prevent swapping suits back and forth.

[Zan]

Originally Posted by Applegreen

it would bring too much trouble to account sharing imo..

sorry if it hurts those who violate the rules.

Its not hard to separate those who account share from those who log in in other IPs. I have many IPs that I log on aswell, such as my parents home, college dorm, college itself.. etc.. but when different accounts with different creators log in on a same IP at the same time, multiple times per week, that might indicate an issue, and thats only one way to check it.

The validation of what is a legit "unshared" account could be let to Glitchless to decide, either it takes IP and registered e-mail combined or some other criteria.

Originally Posted by Jarrhal

... if there was a way to check how long the email has been registered to that toon, suggest more than 1 month. and if you trade to an alt, it becomes toonbound for at least 30 days. to prevent swapping suits back and forth.

As I suggested, and Jarrhal helped to explain, if <sb> items could only be
trade, say, once a month, and those who accout share could not use this feature, I still think it would benefit testing new builds and game overall for those who have more than a single character.

[Zan]

Originally Posted by Applegreen

but..maybe if..it only worked if the account was used from the same ip (not exclusively only that ip since i don't only play at home but at work and at buddies places) for like the half last year? so if somebody wants to abuse this they'd have to wait half a year to do so?

Sorry I couldn't quite understand if it was an actual addition or against the idea on the first time I read, but now I see it and believe this would be a nice way to allow players to change the "registered e-mail" and use this to define each "player" - by an e-mail.

My goal was to bring up the idea, and the more people show the points where it could be abused or why should not be implemented would be a great addition to the discussion, not to mention any tweak on how it should work is also welcome!

[orderr]

Apparently IP addresses can be hacked, people use this to cheat/exploit in other games. Someone who is IP banned comes back with a "fake" ip address. Probably, you could use this to cheat your way out of all trade restrictions in this game, and some would actually pull this off here.

[Gooddevil]

What if you can pick 2 alts per main and those cannot be changed?

[Tharkas]

My thought would be being able to use a tc to trade 1 sb item to an alt and the item would stay sb. would just have to find a way to make this un exploitable. like having the same registered email or something like that..

[Tharkas]

Ok so heres my idea. Make SB items trade able between ONLY characters that share a confirmed email address. When an item is SB it will now show "SB to <insert player name>" instead of just regular SB. Introduce a new EPIC magic skill (psych imo) called something like "Entwined Souls" The skill would read something like "Every 10 levels in this skill lets you use 1 tier higher SB item that is soulbound to another character." So at lvl 10 you would be able to use t1 lg items that are sb to another character, t2 @ lvl 20 and so on. So lets say Thorin (hope you don't mind being used as an example) wants to blow tons of money and make a t8 lg but he also wants to be able to use it on his alts. So since that items is now "SB to Thorin" his alt would have to have lvl 80 in this new epic skill to use it.

[hotshot64]

IP addresses are tricky things. The IP address you have on your local machine is different from the one you display to the world. Would be tough to enforce.

[Tharkas]

Originally Posted by hotshot64

IP addresses are tricky things. The IP address you have on your local machine is different from the one you display to the world. Would be tough to enforce.

Thats why I said confirmed email address instead of IP. I don't know about you but I don't let anyone know my email address that's linked to my nod account

[hotshot64]

Originally Posted by Tharkas

Thats why I said confirmed email address instead of IP. I don't know about you but I don't let anyone know my email address that's linked to my nod account

Yup agreed, was responding to the original concept that the IP address be used

[Gooddevil]

Still i would go with my idea of having maximum 2 alts permanently bonded to main. Once you pick it cannot be changed.

Nearly every other game allows player to create multiple toons and share stuff between them.

Real money upgrades would have to be bought for alts anyway and I don't see issue with trading your own equipment between your own toons.


Note that tempers would be reset upon trading so it would not be worth to trade up tiered items

[Zeffrin]

How about Glitchless creates "Accounts" and let's you add characters to that account depending on if you have the login information. Then when you go to log-in. you log into your account instead of straight into a toon. Then you have a screen that displays a list of your toons. You can select the one you want to play and enter the game.

[Tharkas]

Originally Posted by Zeffrin

How about Glitchless creates "Accounts" and let's you add characters to that account depending on if you have the login information. Then when you go to log-in. you log into your account instead of straight into a toon. Then you have a screen that displays a list of your toons. You can select the one you want to play and enter the game.

I actually like that idea. Support

[Fior]

Idk about your country, but in my country, many internet cafe shop has only one IP but 5-10 computers with same IP.
In my neighbourhood have some routers connected with IP's but many computers connected to same router with same IP.
Is bad thing to restrict or trying to collect all toons in same IP because will be many different players with same IP.
Even our internet provider give us same IP for apartments from our block. Different ppl, different apartments but same IP.