So, with the new quiver, perhaps it's time to look at this

[Master]

Are you kidding me... Trader class could rule nod... Salesmanship stacks with it!!!!

[SiSiX]

...just a fading, memory...

[Tharkas]

I didn't take the time to read every post in this thread, but here is my suggestion. If you let people equip both a staff and a bow set, make it so they can either use gems/auto attack or just auto shoot, or make a delay between switching from one to the other. Would help cut down on getting tons do Dots going and then just shafting the mob. Would also keep you from getting an Op trishot opener and then just spamming dds/dots. I do agree though that casters are missing out on ALOT by not being able to get procs from a bow set. Can you agree to that much glitchy?

[SiSiX]

...just a fading, memory...

[Tharkas]

IMO worst bow for staff users would be demontendon (which it still can be used great in combination with other dots) but every other bow has a proc that can greatly help out casters and help build more diversified toons. Plus its another gold sink glitch :P

[Freakymagic]

If staff users were able to use bow set it would completely unbalance pvp, regardless if you were able to shoot the bow or not. Most of the top arena teams are tank, healer, caster dps. If the healer could equip heavens hock bow they would gain the 15% bonus to their healing gems, not to mention all the extra stats would allow more reg and more defensive stats. Would make healers even harder to kill, while giving them a big buff to their abilities.

dd are already able to quad cast, give them a thrakis and they will either be able to 5x cast a gem, or have a higher chance to do multiple casts, im not sure on which it would be, either is a big buff.

Siren is the same thing as thrakis just a bigger % chance.

Now think of doters... if they were able to double cast more often, or tri cast.....

Rangers would allow green gem casters to do even more dmg, and give them a big mana/energy regen buff.

If staff users were NOT able to auto shoot, the only arrow viable would be rangers revenge, and the 3% chance to hit wouldn't be a big buff. The only quiver viable would be the new conquerors. the stats out class lava vein, and non of the other procs would be useful.

If staff users could auto shoot, they could really use any of the quivers (lava vein would remain obsolete) and get a big bonus from them. As well they could use any of the arrows and get a big bonus.

Add the procs that staff users would gain, the massive stat bonus, AND the health bonus. Would make arena become even MORE cookie cutter. EVERY team would have caster dps or some sort of archer caster, healer, and some sort of tank. Nothing could touch them.

Even adding place holder items for the bow set slots to allow casters to gain more health would be too big of a buff. Most of the casters already have very little def, just a big health bar and regen, add more health (even a couple thousand) and they become THAT much harder to kill.

You want staff users to be able to farm high end zones, only thing would be some sort of place holder bow set item/s that cut down the resist rate of MOBS. Glitch could choose if it was temperable or not.

IMO casters dont need any buff to let them farm high zones easier/quicker. Casters atm dominate pvp. If with the new years patch this changes then it would be somthing to look at. Bm's are great farms, both low lvl and high lvl. They are becoming less and less effective for arena though (again may change with the new patch/s coming out). Yes you can say hoodrat has done well in arena/pvp w/e, and this is true. Hoodrat is a beast, but hoodrat cant be used as what bm's are.... hoodrat is what bm's can be, same as cyress is what a doter can be.

Every build CANT do everything.

[Hoodrat]

Left twix or right twix ?!!??!?!!

[Sanluciferr]

Everything that Freakymagic said is absolutely false except the fact that casters do not need a buff.

Casters do not dominate PvP at all. If arena has been won by a Tank , Healer and DD is only because they were good players but not because they are the optimal 3 team man at all ( not anymore since quite over a year i can assure you).

Now i do agree that casters do not need a buff because i know the game pretty well however there is quite a few things that need a nerf or a review and most of them are defensive aspects.

If a caster wants to be defensive he just needs to go dotter however ANY CLASS with half a brain could beat ANY version of a caster with deft recovery, simple as that.

I just want to say a few facts as well:


Casters are not the top dps in low zones and not remotely close in higher zones anymore , at all.

• Casters are not the best at defense.
  
  
• Casters lack stats and procs/perks.
  
  
• Casters lack HP. ( tempers and stats)
  
  
• Casters depend only on mana/energy.
  
  
• Casters are full control. ( but too easy to prevent (over 90%)
  
  
• Casters can heal for a lot. ( until PvP damage kicks in however bm/archers can heal for more with pets and vamps)

Anyways like i said i am still saying that casters do not need a nerf however i am not the right person to assure or confirm this just yet, i am doing a lot of testings but i can say a few things that do need a review urgent, CNT ( with resists skills/gems) or going Glitchless indirect style, AGI needs a counter review in PvP ( with adding skills) and absolutely asap Deft Recovery needs to get fixed, are you serious? ...

[Freakymagic]

How exactly is everything i said false?

#1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8 this last season ALLL had healer, Caster dps, tank. the last 3x arena champions were tank, healer, caster DPS. IF caster get buffed nothing will change, ALL of arena will be caster, healer, tank.... there night be a FEW teams in top 10 that are slightly different, most will be cookie cutter.

OBVIOUSLY casters dont dominate PVP when 60% of last season's top 10, and the last 3x arena champions had 2 of their 3 person team as casters

As to what i said, PLEASE enlighten me as to what is incorrect.

[Sanluciferr]

I wont enter into a debate with you because i wont gain anything out of it, i just want to say that not because the champion of chess was a Peruvian means that Peruvians are the best at chest.

I hope that Glitchless doesnt base the balance of the classes on checking arena top 1-3 teams, that would be so stupid to base and assume things just because of that.

To clear your doubts you can read my post to see what i think pretty much or i can assume you are a tank maybe but that just so last year, im not here to fight my class vs other classes at all.

I made Sanlucifer a lame archer for testing purposes with lvl 30 whips , owls and 88 epic set funny result was that he was already farming as fast or faster, you know what? he was still doing the same damage as he was doing with staff using dds just without having a staff plus some nice dps and defense from archery and bm skills.

The idea of this thread as far as a i know is in relation to the Staff pros and cons not been reasonable at all and they have been getting worse and worse and everyone knows it and aside from that the problem in defense against magic or gems compared to melee or range.

[Hoodrat]

left twix is pretty good, so is right twix..... omg which one ?!!?!?!?

[Master]

Omg just buff trader class already so we can end this